#24 - Dillon Barrs - Stock market, Iranian war, Charlie Kirk's legacy

Dillon Barrs reveals the secrets to unlocking wealth from the comfort of anywhere you choose as well as clearly defines how markets point to what is really happening behind the scenes in the Iranian and (Chinese?) war. Additionally, a heated debate ignites as the Charlie Kirk trial commences and the importance of finding the right person is called into question. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

So first and foremost, I think it's proper that I address my hiatus from posting episodes. It's been I think about th two or three months now since I last posted an episode, and the reason for that is I've just been incredibly busy. And sometimes there are seasons of life where you don't get to work on your passions, and this past two months has been one of those seasons for me where I needed to make some money. It's important. It's important. This has not been an entirely profitable venture just yet. Maybe it'll get there, but for now, it's gonna be a side.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

My dad always told me, make enough money to where you can afford to do what you want, not do what you want for a living. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:43

But at the same time, at the same time, you may not come from a rich family, but a rich family should come from you. And you should know that sometimes your passions do not always work out to be what you know pays the most. Right, exactly right. I think for most people, finding the intersection of the dream would be to find the intersection of what you're talented at, what you love to do, and what is valuable to other people and i.e. profitable. And if you can find something that meshes all three of those things, then you will have a great, fun, awesome career. But most people only are able to find two of those things.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

I haven't found well, I don't think I've ever found anything that gets me up in the morning to go do it as far as work goes. I love day trading. Uh, and I love trading and I love markets and I love buying properties and I love selling properties, but that's about it. You know, I I love that, but if I had the if I if it were if I had to do it for free, I wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:46

Yeah, of course, right? So it's it's like so if I took all your money from you tomorrow and told you to go on Robin Hood and do like the fake accounts, right? Where you can like fake trade with fake money. It's not like you would get up and do that every day. There's no reason to do that.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

But I love the way markets move and I love watching markets. It's fun trying to understand what Wall Street's doing and what retail investors are doing, and trying to figure that out, which is it makes you feel smart, even though you're not, you're never gonna figure it out. You may have a little bit of an edge, maybe because you figure something out the way something moves in a correlation to another thing, but you're never, you know, it's a good way to feel smart without being smart.

SPEAKER_05 2:35

It's the Wolf of Wall Street line. Nobody, especially us, knows whether that stock is gonna go up, down, sideways, or in circles.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

No, nobody knows, man. And uh the best you can do it that for from everything I know, if you make six, if you if your hit rate is sixty percent, you're killing it. Right. As long as your the other 40% doesn't knock you out before you can get to the profitable 10%.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

Right. That 10%, but you have to lose and win on the same magnitude. Like you can't win 60% of the time and then lose 40% of the time on that magnitude of two. Yeah, it doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

So I yeah, I I've been taking wild swings lately, and uh I lost 30,000, you know, in the past two days, which is fine. Well, it's over the weekend, and uh I probably could hold it and be down 10 grand right now and be fine, but um I didn't feel comfortable doing that. And you know, I'm learning just like and and the great thing about the markets and everything else is it's uh it's a constant learning process. So like every day is new input and output, which I find fascinating. So you can get, especially with the the stock market, if you ever get stuck and you get bored, all of a sudden you get this like new day where the things are doing new things, and you're like, well, why is it doing this? And then you look up the news and you find out Trump just treated that tweeted that Dell is a great company, you should buy it, and then Dell rips up 10%, and you're like, Well, okay, that's crazy, you know, and uh then like the AI stuff is bananas and all that it's doing to the markets and what how that correlates. And I don't even think the guys on Wall Street actually know why things do what they do.

SPEAKER_05 4:28

No, that with one thing I was about to say was there was recently Wendy's stock went up like $250 in a day, and it's traced back to there was a Reddit page where everybody stock. Yeah, everybody decided, you know, Wendy's is tanking, let's all buy it. The same thing that happened with GameStop a while back on.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Right.

SPEAKER_05 4:49

It's just sometimes people just decide on Reddit that like let's just all buy this stock and make it pump up and it's mass collusion, but it works, which is wild because it shows you the orders of magnitude that it takes. Because I can lose a thousand dollars and really, really hurts. You can lose a thousand dollars and it's like meh, you know, whatever. I mean, that's not great, but like we can move on. Uh and then you get these Wall Street guys losing a thousand dollars and it's like no, they lose they lose ten million in a day. Yeah, and they're fine.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Yeah, I won't make it back. Yeah, it's like cyclical to them. Right. I can't wait to get to the point to where I would love to be to the point where I can lose a thousand a hundred thousand. It's like it's part of the cycle. Not because I want to lose a hundred thousand, I just want to be so deep in the cycle that losing a hundred thousand I know is part of it, and that that is just a part of a long journey through the process. The same way this 30, you know, while we were in Ireland and Scotland, I made a hundred, you know, I'm I made eighty-nine thousand dollars in one day, you know, and then I lost thirty grand. But I'm gonna start drawing back my risk right now because the market I see it seems to be shifting towards more of a pullback and consolidation market. So I'm gonna lower my risk. I'm gonna do more day trading and sw instead of swing trading and just get back to the fundamentals of making two to three thousand dollars a day. Uh you know, even if I make $1,500 a day, like chip away at those gains, and then when the opportunity strikes, take a longer play.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

But just chip away, you know, base it. Base it's and then when you see a home run, you take the home run. But other than that, like I may I swung for another home run and I got hit strike with the ball. It was it. I didn't strike out, I got fucking hit in the head with the ball. And that's okay. I learned my lesson that time that like, okay, there's times where the good where God and the market gives you great plays, and don't chalk that up to knowing anything. Yeah. Chalk that up to you just got lucky, and then take your take your luck and leave. Yeah. But I'm still way up. It's not that.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

What are three stocks right now that you're looking at that you think other people should be looking at?

SPEAKER_00 7:07

MU, um Intel, and um any of the AI stocks, just pick it, pick any of them. Any of the so now NOW uh is another great one. Um I mean, I would just buy DRAM, which is like a consolidated memory stock, and TSM, AMD, all those stocks are doing really, really well right now. But to be quite honest with you, we need a big pullback. We need a consolidation. We need this, like we need a 20% pullback. We're almost there, and I would say the next two weeks we're gonna see it. If not, it's gonna suck because everything will be at kind of highs again, and you you're risking buying and holding. Yeah, could you make a 20-point swing as in $20 swing and make five, 10 grand? Yeah, but you could also get absolutely annihilated with a hundred dollar swing on the to the downside and lose half your portfolio. So I'm just I'm very cautious right now because it is at the highs, even though a lot of these companies are sold out for the next two or three years, and the demand is there, but part of me is skeptical about the true effects of AI and and not just not the effect but necessarily, but how long it will take to implement. And I think the timelines have been have gotten exaggerated on how long how soon we will be able to see the results from all this input. So the and I think we have buyer fatigue, right? Like if we're buying, if if let's say a hedge fund goes out and buys a hundred and two hundred million dollars worth of AI stuff or even a billion dollars, and the the the person who is putting money into that fund is not seeing any of the AI stuff come to fruition, right, visually in his own life or even around him, he's gonna call that broker and say, hey man, like we might want to sell some of this stuff off. So I think that pullback is what we need to where then we could let the actual implementation catch up with the money. But right now, the money is so far ahead of the implementation that it just doesn't, it's starting to scare people.

SPEAKER_05 9:24

Right. Well, we're seeing a lot of these data centers move in, and it's not just the AI, it's everything that is everybody wants to be an AI company now. Right? You have Wendy's that I'm as we were talking about before, I'm sure they're trying to implement AI somehow at the corporate level or even at the branch-to-branch level. But I think the real concern for people in local elections, which is much more important on your day-to-day life than federal elections, is these data centers that are going in and whether we're gonna choose to put that stress on the grid, raise power bills, and if we can get people like Mr. Wonderful to build these data centers and actually put whether that's I don't know how he's claiming to do it, but he's claiming that his data centers are going to put power back into the grid and be net positive instead of net negative, which I think is.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Like if they if they have their own power station, it's not a problem.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

The problem is we have very do you think that'll be like a small nuclear power site?

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Yeah, or it look up Bloom Energy. They're an alternative energy source that that's made for Danis, that they're making for Danis data centers. And right now, I mean, it's up like a couple thousand percent this year. I mean, it's a great uh you know, Dumb Money Live, which is a podcast that I follow, and one of the smartest guys ever, is his name is Chris Something. Um, it's called Dumb Money. I ever I recommend everybody watch that podcast because these guys talk about the AI trade and they're the ones who turned me on to it. And um they more or less Bloom Energy, if they if they have their own power grid, they can input power when the power is not needed for the data center. So they can add to the grid a lot like solar panels do, even though solar panels are a scam. Yeah. But uh if the problem is we have very bad laws when it comes to nuclear in this country, and we also have very we don't have a lot of labor either. So um getting the construction companies up and running, like we don't have a ton of people who can build nuclear plants like that, like China can. So you know, everything is gonna be very slow to go online, and we can again we don't have the power currently to power the AI center. So um, again, the money's so far ahead of the actual product right now, I think people are just worried.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

It's kind of like you buying a house ten years before you plan on moving into it. And then someone trying to convince you to renovate the place. You're like, but by the time I get in it, it's not gonna I'm not gonna like it. Why don't I just wait?

SPEAKER_05 12:03

Or hold the value.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Or hold the value. But the problem is you can miss the boat. That house can be three times the cost by the time you get there in ten years.

SPEAKER_05 12:12

Well, there was I just saw a video on Michael Burry who's predicting who predicted the 2008. He just shorted MU. Right, and he's now predicting the AI crash, which is almost agreed upon, I feel like, at this point to be an inevitability. It's just when it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Well, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

SPEAKER_05 12:34

Right. So, but what the good point that this guy had made was that in was it 1986? The dot-com bubble? That's prior to the dot-com bubble. There was there was another bubble, sure. Sure. Somewhere in the 80s, um everybody was predicting, you know, these crashes, and it took over a year before it crashed. And if you missed out on that year, then you were actually net negative instead of net positive. Whereas, you know, if you had just invested over that year and then rode through the crash, you were actually much better off. So it that's the struggle, is like, okay, we take out our money now, and then the crash is delayed a year from what people are predicting, and in the next year the stock market makes another 25%, the crash is only 20%.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah, but stocks are not the only asset class you should be looking at right now. Real estate is very cheap in the upstate compared to what it's gonna be in 10 years. I mean, South Carolina is the place to put money. And there's towns in South Carolina that actually have shrinking populations that you can go buy rental houses for nothing. $15,000. Um, there's counties in South Carolina that are set to grow by double, and people aren't looking at them. And you know, people bitching, oh, housing's expensive. Yeah, I get it. But I mean, like, it's only gonna keep going up. Um you if you go to other parts of the country, they look dead compared to South Carolina. Relatively speaking. Yeah. Right? Like the energy in the room is alive in South Carolina.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

Well, every other day I'm meeting somebody that's a transplant that, you know, is moving in from California, Connecticut, all these Northeast and Western states that, you know, they're tired of paying blue state taxes and tired of living under a blue state economy, and so they move here and buy houses that are cheaper and live for cheaper and make a little bit less money, but make a lot more off of it. Yeah. The people are much better. Yeah. 100%. I've I've lived in Connecticut, I've lived in South Carolina, and South Carolina, as I recall, the people are much better.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

So we just got back from a two-week vacation to Scotland and Ireland. And um, the one thing I the a few there's a few things I took from that. One is like where we live, America as a whole is a number one. Like, we are the shit. Yes, we are, and everybody knows that. It's not just me saying that. Like, people in Scotland, Ireland, the whole UK will tell you America's the shit. Like, fuck the United Kingdom. Like there are.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

Well, I think it's it's quite obvious when you when you go to the United States from a different country, you don't come here and be like, oh, that's a UK burger place over there. Right. Well, listen, they're official chips, or whatever, and then you go to the UK and there's five guys and McDonald's, and there's like everything. American companies everywhere. And they all have iPhones and they all have like it's they wear Nike. Right. It's all American brands. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Yeah, and they listen to American music. American rap, American country. Their number one trucks are American trucks. Like America.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

Yeah, exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

And not only that, like the vibe over there is of decay. It is specifically in Scotland and Ireland or in Europe. Scotland and Ireland, like it was of decay.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Not that I found Scotland un un unprecedentedly gorgeous. Um, but uh like it's trash otherwise. Like I thought the Scottish people they felt as if I bought an old house and it needed a refresh. Like that's what it felt like. Yeah. The same in Ireland was worse. It felt like I bought a trailer. Like I was in somebody else's trailer, like walking around, like, oh, it's a nice place. But I mean, it like it was nice for a trailer, but it wasn't America where like things feel alive. When you go through the cities and in in or in the towns in a lot of Scotland Ireland where we were, like, there's nothing set up for children because there are no kids. Yeah, there's nothing like there there is no family atmosphere. There's pride flags on every church, yep. Like showing solidarity for gays instead of families, which nothing against the gay people, whatever. I don't care. But what I'm saying is, like it's not set up for growth. Yeah, it's it's set up for the people who are there who don't necessarily care. It seems as if it's dead, like that that culture is dead, and it's that is there for the living that is there, but I don't like there's a reason their economies are garbage.

SPEAKER_05 17:24

So, one thing about the World Cup that's going on right now, and I'm not a soccer fan, so I don't follow it very closely, but it's such a worldwide phenomenon, it's impossible to miss. And because the United States is a host country this year, one of the crazy things that we're seeing is all of these Europeans and Middle Easterners and Asianers are coming over and experiencing the United States for the first time. And the prevailing sentiment has been the media portrays America to be this rife with controversy, uh, which we are, um, but better than nothing. No, no more than they no more than they are, though, right? Like, but rife with controversy, and people are dumb people, rude people, um, you know, are we have no culture, yeah, et cetera, et cetera. And they're coming here and there's videos everywhere. You can find Europeans posting to be like, I cannot believe the lies that I was told by and the propaganda, not only by media from across the world, but from our own media about how desolate America is. And that's not the case at all. They're like, oh my god, you have ranch, ranch dressing. That's amazing. They're walking and you have freedom, you have trucks and gas that isn't six dollars a gallon, and you have variety of foods, and you can do what you want, and you can walk in a Walmart and pick from a hundred bags of chips. I can also go buy a gun.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Yeah, I can also like walk around and like do what I want. I can go wherever I want, I can buy a house. Like sure. You know what I didn't see in Ireland, Scotland is for sale signs on houses. There's almost no real estate for sale. Why do you suppose that is? I don't think they have the they don't build. Well, first of all, they're both countries are the size of South Carolina where we live. Right. Both their populations are almost identical to South Carolina's populations.

SPEAKER_05 19:24

European countries are exceedingly tiny compared to us.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

And that they just don't have the economies to build and sell the way we do. And I also think their labor unions like stop growth. Like it probably takes them forever to get stuff done. Got to. Because ever I didn't see guys working that much. When I saw trade guys walking around, which they're very easy to spot over there, they're all taking a break. You know, it's like it never looked I never saw like a guy working. It's not a thriving economy. No, and they work from like eight to three.

SPEAKER_05 20:00

Yeah. They don't work like we do. Which you go and see people that move to Spain and things like that, and they take these naps in the middle of the day, and like you think, oh, it's incredibly hard to get stuff done. That's such a nice lifestyle until you realize what you're sacrificing. And it is a give and take, right? Like you're not gonna have the booming economy that way. You're not going to have the productivity, and you're not gonna have the wealth and the luxury that we do enjoy. Even I mean, and it works at a societal level, like I'm by no means a rich person yet, and I enjoy a lot of luxury in my life, but that's because a rising tide lifts all boats, and I'm a boat lifted by the rising American tide. In Spain, you know, the average college student, I would assume, or 20, 21-year-old or whatever, is not living this in the same lavish luxury. It's not even in the same ballpark. Right. So, I and yeah, you get to take a nap in the middle of the day, but like okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

But we're built this is what I took from it too, is like we're built different. We're not the same people as Scottish and Irish people. Right. We are a different people. Now, I would love for the Irish and Scottish to come over here, but my thing would be like, you're not here to be single and live a like live like a party boy lifestyle. If you want to come over, uh we met some rugby guys that were like 27, 20 year olds in a in an Australian bar in uh Edinburgh, Scotland. And I was talking to them, they're like, so any of you guys dating, married, they're like, no, how could we bring kids into this life? I was like, first of all, shut the fuck up. Like, I don't want to hear that. That's stupid. Uh yeah, if you he's like, the girls by the way, girls do not wear clothes over there. I saw more tits hanging out, more butts hanging out, than anywhere else I've ever been in my life. You could go to Miami and see less tits than Scotland and Ireland. It's amazing. And in a bad way.

SPEAKER_05 21:57

What's uh well, that's the first one.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

You've sold it to me. Yeah. But you know, and they were saying, like, well, you know, we can't find girls who are like, come to America, dude. Like, people like having kids here. You know, we're we're we're the breeding stock of the world, we're essentially the ki the cattle farm the of the world. And uh it was just amazing, too. But I'm not too harp too much on them. I mean, they're an older culture, and I get it, but I mean, they really need to examine, and this isn't like if they were to come over here and be like, guys, you really need to examine your overweight problem, I'd be like, you are correct, right? You go, we all are not as fat as we are, we are unhealthy. 100% a fact.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

They would say, okay, you guys don't need everybody doesn't need to be driving such a huge truck. I'd be like, You're right, you're right. Our vehicles are too big, right? You if they came over and said, listen, man, you you guys are doing farming wrong. Like, we've been doing farming for hundreds of years, and here's some ways to improve your soil style. I'm like, you're 100% correct. Their culture is fucked.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Because they gave all their power to the government, and their government just ransacked their country, took away their guns, took away their freedoms, uh, and then let in this like super leftist agenda, which you would expect like Scotland and Ireland to be tons of kids running around, family first, like let's hide all the the crazy stuff from the kids.

SPEAKER_05 23:31

No, it's like the complete opposite. Well, herein lies the problem with the progressive politic, right? Is that one day conservatives are just gonna outpopulate them. Because when you have a Because liberals don't make kids. Right. When you have a culture and an ideology that promotes by definition, you can't procreate if the natural parts don't fit together the right way. Can't make a baby in your butt. No, you can't the swimmers don't do anything in the booty hole. Um but not even that, also you have the aggressive feminism that tells women to go put their career first, and there are large studies going on now suggesting that women who put their careers first, on I'm not saying all women, but for the vast majority of women that go out and put their careers first and they look back when they're 35, they're like, damn, I wish I would have started a family at 24 because that's what's most fulfilling on a biological level. And that's you can't argue that that's just science. Like that's just how we're built as humans. So I I think women especially are being scammed into believing that money and career will fulfill them more than children and family will, and I don't think that's the case. The push. I think the turds the tide's turning, though. I think it's coming back. And that a lot of that is because we finally have a I don't know if it's a culture-wide thing or if the culture is following the politics or the politic is following the culture. Um but I mean, uh you can't deny that the president that we have in office is putting on UFC fights on the White House lawn and promoting masculinity rather than having transgenders expose their naked fake breasts on the White House lawn and having a gay pride parade. So, like that, like there's from the head, we are leading in a different direction. And I think there the fact that Donald Trump got elected in 2024, right, is evidence of the fact that at least 51% of the population agrees with the conservative politic and conservative ideology. And as a society, we're moving back in that direction, which I think is a good, good sign. But it's a pendulum and it'll swing back.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yeah, and and I like seeing young men walk around like you're seeing more and more young men dress like you know, and it's funny to me, but you know, you see cowboy boots and wranglers and mustaches everywhere now. Not that they've ever been on a horse, but like it's it's nice to see, you know, that they're emulating some sort of masculinity that you know they don't know where it's coming from, they don't know they're how they're actually going to implement it, but you're seeing it, and you're gonna see and you're seeing more and more of that, which is good. You're starting to see young men fight again on like YouTube and stuff like that, which is good. Uh, you know, I'm not saying teen takeovers are good, but you're seeing like that you're seeing Well, that's a very certain community, but yeah, well, you're seeing white guys and like we saw this. Uh did you see that video of the big brawl that was in the swamp of South Carolina where they had this big get together and it was just a bunch of rednecks out on a sandbar, and there was a huge fight, and then the sheriff got involved, and people pressed charging the side.

SPEAKER_05 26:54

There was a female cop that just got her ass kicked in North Charleston.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah, that was by a bunch of black kids, yeah. But the North Charleston is a ghetto culture, and they can say whatever they want if they hear that, but you go walk down your street in the middle of the night. See, see how you feel about it. And a lot of those black people are great are great people, but a lot of them are not because they have a shitty culture. And I don't care who thinks about what that I say that. You go walk down there then. If you're a liberal lady and you got a problem with me saying that those black people have a shitty culture, why don't you take your ass out there at 10 o'clock and night and go walk down the street? Oh, you're not going to? Yeah, then shut up.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Don't come talk to me about how I'm a racist. There's a really funny uh photo that recirculated recently of Hillary Clinton during her 2016 campaign walking into a middle class home and her jaw hits the floor of like, oh my god, this is how people live. Like it just shows how it's really, really easy to be idealistic before you have responsibilities that the there's the good saying of I believe it goes if you're if you're not a progressive, if you're not a liberal in your 20s, then you don't have a heart. And if you don't die a conservative, then you don't have a brain. Yeah. And it's like I eventually the it rings home that like you, you know, responsibilities and um when I go to pay this job, like, yeah, where does half my paycheck go? And like when I pay these taxes, what are they spending it on? And th those are conservative questions that pe that people begin to ask only when they have the weight of responsibility in family and children and other mouths to feed. When those responsibilities are put on them, then they ask the questions of what's best for my family, what's best for my community, what's best for my country. But if you are a single female, you know, living in New York in Greenville or wherever, right? And you don't have responsibilities, it's really easy to be idealistic. And all of your most of them are, you know, 22-year-olds living at home. No, most of them were 33-year-old overweight single females. Like yeah, it's really, really easy to be like, we should, yeah, snap benefits are great. We should let them have soda like that.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Everybody's ever all these guys are racist, and like black people are and every there's a victim in around every corner to them. When the truth is, is like we have unbelievable opportunities in America for everybody. It doesn't matter who you are, there's unbelievably large amounts of opportunities. That's another thing I took from going over there. Like, they don't have the opportunities we have. Yeah, you can't just go start your own business over there. You have to join a union, then get a there's there's only a certain amount of permits for each job inside that union, and you got to wait your turn. You don't have to wait your turn in America. Like, people don't realize how special we are that we can just go do stuff, like and you don't need permission, you need a business license. Like, that's it. And uh to complain and like be like America's bad, we're liberals, it's like, yeah, we got a lot of bad shit. But guess what? Everybody does. Okay, if there is a liberal white woman in America that need wants me to buy her a plane ticket to Uganda to go complain to those black people over there and tell her that the black people here don't have opportunities, I will buy it for her. She will get slapped in the face and probably I don't want to say, uh, within five minutes of being in the city. People just don't realize what we have. And that is it really bothers me. It really bothers me. I because I don't understand how you could wake up in America and be like, this sucks.

SPEAKER_05 30:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Unless you just have never seen anything different.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

Candace Owens recently went on the Sean Ryan show, which was a very entertaining episode, and we can idiot get more into that. Um I'm not sure how I feel about that entire situation yet. But but besides the point, I digress. The my point is she told a really interesting anecdote, which is how she first came into the popular eye, was in her senior year of high school. She got a boyfriend, her male best friend who turned out to be gay, got really, really jealous. Um, and him and a bunch of other of his buddies called her and called her racial slayers. And she ended up saying something about it. Um, and it turned into this whole, because one of the other guys was, I think it was the governor's son or something like that, it turned into a political scandal. And everybody wanted her to call them out, call them racist, act like she was a victim. And I actually really respected the way she approached it was she was like, I'm not a victim, he's not racist. He just did something stupid. And like it we have a psychology where we think that being called a name makes us a victim and is like traumatic to us when in reality it's like you got called a name, like let's brush it off. And it when people say certain things, it doesn't necessarily mean you know that they're awful people or that you know that that's actually the way that they believe. Some people sometimes, especially young people, just make stupid ass mistakes.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:23

Uh and not everybody has to just be a victim all the time.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

No, and if you get down to if you put most people in the country, like those black kids I was talking about, North Charleston, right? Those black folks, I can go down there and hang out with them any day of the week and I get along with them. Because I grew up not wealthy, and not, you know, I wouldn't, I wasn't raised in like a dirt floor house, but I understand what it's like to be really poor. And uh I also I have poor man's hobbies.

SPEAKER_05 32:54

I hunt and I fish, and which is the most expensive way to get free meat.

unknown 32:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

And I don't really hang out in the country clubs, I don't like I don't do any of that shit, and I don't really like it. Um, I like normal people, and those are not where you find normal people, and those kind of communities where you can find some really normal people, uh, it's just you their culture is you know it's fucked. Yeah. Uh but Candace Owens, I think, is a moron. I think she's one of those people who is lost in the forest and can't see the field outside of it. She's so surrounded by media, cameras, microphones, people that are that also talking to microphones and cameras. Can you imagine only being around people who talk into cameras all day? Isn't that a weird thought that you talk into a camera and then all your friends talk into cameras, and then you go to talk to each other at the end of the day, you can't turn off the camera button. They all just talk to each other like they're on camera. And none of it's real. It gets in their head, and I think that's what's wrong with her, is that in her head, she's a narrator to a story. Yeah. And the difference between you and I is we're not narrating a story in our lives, she's constantly narrating a story. Here and it it she always has to find the next chapter, right? Which is why she keeps going down these stupid ass rabbit holes about Charlie Kirk. Who gives a shit if it got blown up? He's dead. Move on. It has nothing to do with you, by the way. It was your friend. It it had it is not your story to tell.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

My my problem, especially, not just with Candace Owens, but with the entire situation, is the vast amount of contradictions on both sides. And this is, I believe, by design, um by American media as a whole. Because I look at the side of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson that are intensely anti-Israel and believe that Israel is largely the controlling body in a lot of these conspiracies. And I see people that are pro-Israel, like Brandon Tatum, who he runs his own security agency, so um that could be where he but he's rolling around in Ferraris and like where did you get that kind of money? Yeah. Um I mean, you see I I saw Nick Friedas post, who I largely respect, post a video defending Israel today, and it's just become it's become this like two-sided thing where Israel is the focus. And then you also see things like Erica Kirk and her the behavior that she's experiencing um or portraying is is not normal. Um I largely agree with that. I there's questions there. There's questions surrounding the assassination. It doesn't add up. The FBI's story doesn't add up. The why did they pave over the site immediately? It makes no sense. There's there's a lot of questions there that I understand why Candace Owens is asking those questions, and I think somebody should. Um why turning point and why Erica wouldn't be asking those questions.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Why do we give a shit?

SPEAKER_05 36:22

Because if there's large movements of things happening in our government that we don't know about. But that's assuming that it has to do with the government. It might. And that's that's the inconsistencies that point to that being a possibility.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

We don't even know what happened with JFK. We don't even have to know what happened with Epstein. We don't know what happened with Donald Trump and Butler Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

So to say that the fact that we don't know is the problem. And that's I believe that's Biden.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Because we're never gonna have the information.

SPEAKER_05 37:01

Well, I think that's what Candace Owens think she set out to do.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

But she no, she set out to make a story out of it. She didn't set out to get the truth, she set out to build a story. That's the difference that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 37:14

I think uh I think you're right, but I think in Candace Owens' head, she thinks she's out for it.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Of course, but she's always narrating a story. She doesn't know how to not narrate a story.

SPEAKER_05 37:24

My my main issue with Candace Owens is the contention that she seem she seems to be implicating Erica Kirk. And my question is implicated in what? Like, do you think it is? Do you think Erica Kirk like orchestrated her own husband's assassination? Like, that seems too far-fetched. We've seen uh people can be fake for a little bit, they can't be fake for years and years and bear a dude's children and then like want like that. Makes no sense.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

No, it doesn't make and can I can we talk about it?

SPEAKER_05 37:58

And then also one more thing, Candace Owens wasn't invited to the wedding, she wasn't invited to the funeral. That was before all of this. She hasn't been close to Charlie for years, as I understand it, and then as soon as he's assassinated, jumps on the Charlie Kirk. I was best friends with him. Me and Charlie were like, so I Yeah, it's it's not it's it may have seemed that's where it confuses me greatly, because I think there are aspects to what she's saying that are fair, and she's asking certain questions that I agree with that I feel like need to be asked, and then there part of it feels like a grift, and I wish that that line could be much clearer. And it would be much clearer if Turning Point and Erica Kirk didn't help people by being shady and not answering the right questions.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

I'm gonna say something very unpopular. I know you disagree, and I know you you you you haven't wanted me to talk about this on on podcast before. I don't like Charlie Kirk. I don't care that he's dead. It does not bother me at all. And here's why. And I'm gonna say this very plainly so people don't roast me online. He was a great guy. He was not Jesus. He was a guy who went to college campuses, it dunked on college kids, put it on the internet, made college kids look stupid, made some of them look smart, and made money off of it. And he was part of a political movement. He was a very self- self-absorbed individual. He very much loved to hear himself talk. He was an extremely intelligent individual, but he never went and debated Ivy League professors. He went to Oxford. Right, but he didn't debate the professors, he debated the students. Professors have debated him before. Have they? Yes. I never I have never sat seen him say.

SPEAKER_05 39:57

And he owned them too. But uh it's also what he does 100% of the time for a living.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

But he But again, let me finish my point first, which is like we need to look out for who we hold up as our as our martyrs. Because we're very hypocritical.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

If I brought up Martin Luther King to white people, like, ah yeah, but he like, yeah, but and he did that, and it's like, all right, well, Charlie, what Charlie made money off of making fools out of college kids. Let's put it the way it actually is. It's not that he was Jesus walking around healing people. Yes, he promoted the right things. Uh so did Hitler. Not that Charlie Kirk is Hitler, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, everybody has a great message, but it's like he also made a lot of he also made demons out of a lot of college kids and ruined a lot of college kids' lives by putting their worst moments on the internet. Let's not forget that either. And Charlie profited off that and was happy to do it. He didn't do it for free out of the kindness of his heart. The man was a businessman. I got all the respect in the world for him, but let's not hold him up as this like Let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_05 41:09

Yeah. Would you say all the same things about Billy Graham? That he loved to hear himself talk, that he was out for profit, that he made people that I think Billy Graham's a bad example. Why?

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Uh, because Billy Graham There's large similarities.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

There's differences.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Billy Graham didn't marry a whore that loved to take her clothes off on front of camera before she got married and then go around and talk to college kids and then videotape them having the worst moments of their lives. That's not what Billy Graham did.

SPEAKER_04 41:48

Billy Graham went and Are you talking about Erica Kurt, Erica Kirk doing what?

SPEAKER_00 41:53

She was a model before she got married to to uh and she danced in like sure hip-hop videos and was was half dressed. And she was she was a whore before she got married. What do you think? She was a model and wasn't banging people? Yeah, get the fuck out of here. You obviously haven't met women. Like you like being the center of attention and being the poppy blonde that's half dressed and you're not banging everybody. Get the fuck out of here. Like, let's let's dream in another world. Uh and then Billy Graham didn't do that. Billy Graham notoriously never took meetings alone with women, wouldn't even be alone in an elevator with a woman because he loved and respected his wife so much. And I'm not saying Charlie was like that, but Charlie was an ugly dude. Wasn't very attractive, had baby teeth. He saw a blonde that she wanted to be famous. She failed at it. She found a famous person and latched on to him. That was the first time he'd probably gotten a large amount of attention from a woman. And he wanted to have sex, so he got married. That's what happened. I don't know where people get this other narrative that they're like this dream couple. It's like, no. Prior to his fame, he was an idiot with women. That's the reason he never had really girlfriends before that. Because he was bad with them and he was ugly. I mean, like, let's just put it the way it is. So no, I don't compare him to Billy Graham. Like Billy Graham spoke the gospel. So did Charlie Kurt, but Billy Graham never made idiots of people in order to preach the gospel.

SPEAKER_05 43:37

And I mean, we've talked about this before. My counter to that is what method would you have preferred? Because I every time we've talked about it.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

You just don't have to do it at all. That's my point. Is like we're we're saying we'll be right back. Right.

SPEAKER_05 43:53

So you think do you think that the world was better off without Charlie?

SPEAKER_00 43:57

It's not what I said.

SPEAKER_05 43:58

Not living, but without Turning point USA, I would say. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

It doesn't have to be either or. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 44:03

But that's what you just said. Was that just don't do it at all?

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Because if Charlie, I'm not saying I'm saying it's not an either or. You cannot do it at all. You can do that. But there's also a middle ground, which is like you can do it in a way and say, listen, man, you know, I love you. You're wrong. Why don't we sit down? We don't even have to videotape this. But Charlie didn't videotape it for learning purposes.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

But you know he did it for money. You know just as well as everybody else that the learning he could not have financed doing that with.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

He could have worked a regular job and just went out there and talked to people, but that's not what he did. That's what people are missing.

SPEAKER_05 44:38

Do you think he would have started such a large conservative movement?

SPEAKER_00 44:40

He didn't have to be large. That was the whole goal. No, but it was his choice. Sure. And he used other people's embarrassment to do that. Here's what I think. That's not something I agree with.

SPEAKER_05 44:52

I think the large conservative movement that Charlie Kirk is very famous for having said that a small number of gun deaths a year is a reasonable price to pay for the liberty of having the Second Amendment. Totally agree. And he suffered the he suffered the consequences of that, obviously. My argument would be that the large conservative movement that Charlie Kirk started and the widespread the way the gospel got out through Charlie's words was a net positive, and having a few college kids in viral moments have those bad moments immortalized on the internet is the price that was paid for that large conservative movement. That's I think that's a net positive. And I think that's just where we disagree, is that net positive or net negative? Um I don't think that's how God would have treated.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

That's my point. Is is is God would not have used embarrassment as a tactic.

SPEAKER_05 45:57

I don't think but I think I think what you're doing is attributing the embarrassment as the intention and not as the side effect. I think the the embarrassment of You He would not have put it on the internet if it wasn't the intention. That the internet is the method for dispersion of the internet.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Right, but it's dispersed. That's what I'm that's what I'm trying to get to into people's heads.

SPEAKER_05 46:21

Right. That's where we I'm saying that's where we disagree, right? Is you think it didn't have to be a movement and that it didn't have to be large.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

It's different than the the content, right? So the the move the the only way for that to happen out was making fools of people. He didn't have content then that. It was we're gonna use that as a vehicle for the city.

SPEAKER_05 46:44

Also stepped up to the mic completely voluntarily, never forced anybody to come up with it.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

I totally agree. Yeah, I agree with you there. But that's essentially me going to a I don't know, a kid's boxing gym, putting on boxing gloves with with like teenagers and being like, well, we're roughly the same size. You're 17, I'm 40. You know, let's see how this goes. Voters, by the way, I may get hit hard, but nine times out of ten, I'm gonna win. Like, it's not a fair fight. Charlie was drove smarter than most of those kids.

SPEAKER_05 47:16

Okay, so here if we want to use the boxing, let's say that you were in a boxing gym and you were pushing a particular boxing technique, saying that this was the best way to do it, right? And you had people relatively the same size as you, but less far less skilled, yeah, come up to you and box you. And nine out of ten times you win.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

That proves nothing because you're not fighting someone more, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 47:44

Hear me out though. Yeah, the person that's watching on the sidelines sees that and says, His skill is significantly better. I'm going to try it. And they see the value in the skill that even if it's not because there's the incongruence of the skill there, they see, you know, that that skill is valuable. Yeah, and again, right? Then they're gonna go try that for themselves, and now you have people that are moving through the conservative movement, and then also That's not a conservative movement.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

The Christian movement. That's where I disagree well. That has nothing to do with being a conservative. Uh being a conservative means you save your money, you raise your family, and you you take care of your community. It ain't got shit to do with college campuses. He did again, he went to college campuses. He didn't go, he didn't go to a bar and go debate a bunch of old men. He went to college campuses.

SPEAKER_05 48:39

Like here's here's the other point I would raise to you.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

It's like you married a stripper. Of course, you, you know, it's like you married that, and you're wondering why you get weird results when he dies. It's like, well, he married a weirdo. This is this is the same thing.

SPEAKER_05 48:54

It's his choice. This is the same, and we're just we're gonna fundamentally disagree on this. But this is the same argument that I think is really, really dangerous because I think it can be a cancer to our country. Let me explain. Right. When we have good men that stand behind the curtain of the conservative moving say movement saying, I'm going to worry about my family, save money, my community, whatever. And we say, you know, politics is for bad people, politics is for, you know, evil leftist, corrupt people. Um Which is not what I'm saying, by the way. Right, right. I'm I'm extrapolating from that. Um, what we have is say you you have a Christian who decides that they're not gonna run for office because they don't think it's Christ-like to be in the limelight. Well, if there's not a Christian running because they don't want to be in the limelight, you're gonna get a not Christian governing Christians. Right? So it's like in the same way, if Charlie Kirk had decided, okay, I'm not going to do this, and I'm not going to spread my message in such a vast way, there will be people with opposite and dangerous views doing it.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

No, I'm not saying you shouldn't spread the message. I'm saying the vehicle to which he did it, I just disagree with it. And I don't take him as a bad person for doing it. I'm just saying he's not the kind of guy, I'm gonna point to my son and be like, listen, son, this is someone from history you need to learn about and mimic. Billy Graham, I would.

SPEAKER_05 50:28

But he does he used the vehicle that spread his message the furthest.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

You're correct. His message, not God's message. How do you know the difference? Because God never did that.

SPEAKER_05 50:43

Do you not think that he spread Christ-like messages?

SPEAKER_00 50:48

God, God doesn't go in he said, do your good deeds in silence for me. That's what he said. We've talked about this before.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

He it and he also said, Go shout on a mountain pray my praises. Like that, there's there's both, right? But I believe when you're dealing with individuals, the public eye is not the place for it. And I don't believe that's where God wants it to be. Because he knows the effect of that. And I think he knews through his teachings that, like, me arguing with someone in public, often when someone would rebuke Jesus, right? In public, he also he very commonly had a phrase or a sentence that was subtle, that de-escalated, that gave that person opportunity to come towards him, not away from him. That's what Jesus did. He never went, so you're a sorry, you're a left guard.

SPEAKER_05 51:45

Do you know who Cliff and Stuart connectly are? No. I would encourage you to go look them up. Because I think they are someone who does something very similar. They don't enter into the political realm, but they do something similar to what Charlie does on college campuses. But what they do, but only with the Christian movement. Um, and there are two preachers in up in Connecticut. They travel the country, go to college campuses, and everybody sits around them in a circle and they preach the gospel to them, and then people are allowed to ask questions and they answer those questions for them. That's great. That that does untold good. Is your main contention the manner in which Charlie approached the conversation?

SPEAKER_00 52:30

No, but for example, politics has nothing to do with Jesus. So here's And mixing the two is very, very, very dangerous. Because you with you can turn someone off of religion with your political opinion. Right? Because so saying, well, we're conservatives. By the way, if you don't believe James, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's like, well, hold on a minute. Jesus never subscribed to any party. No, no, no. Jesus was a deeply political person. He never subscribed to a political party. He never subscribed. No, no, no. He was his own political party. Yeah. Yes. Yes. He was executed by a government for his political beliefs. Conservatives uh are terrible people that don't represent Jesus. The conservative party has nothing to do with God.

SPEAKER_05 53:19

No, no, no. Here's the difference. The Republican Party has nothing to do with God. The conservative movement does.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

You're correct. You're correct there.

SPEAKER_05 53:26

Liberal progressive views are, in my opinion, and I hope, in God's opinion, the direct antithesis to his teachings. And the conservative movement aligns with his teachings. And I think what Charlie was trying to spread was the conservative movement that aligns with biblical teaching. Now did he dip into obviously because the Republican Party most times aligns with the conservative movement, he obviously had to dip into the Republican realm and helping Donald Trump get elected, things like that.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

No, he didn't have to.

SPEAKER_05 54:02

No, he didn't have to.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

I agree. That's where I think I don't like when people say, we had to, he had. No, he could have just went home and took care of his kids. He didn't have to do anything. Like everything's a choice. So when I see someone make bad choices, I chalk that up to what they're doing, not what they had to do. That's the difference. It's like you should not go to college campuses and make fools of younger people. Okay, and here And put it on the internet.

SPEAKER_05 54:35

Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a break. I'm gonna show you some of Cliff and Stewart's videos, and then we'll come back and we'll break down the differences because they do fundamentally the same thing. They take videos of sometimes contentious college students. Boy, I know who this guy is. Old guy gray hair.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

He's awesome. Right. Yeah. Fundamentally does the same thing. Fundamentally, yes, but it it look at the way he answers his questions. It's from a So and that's where I'm asking from a political point of view, it's from a God point of view. Separating the two is what Charlie could not do and did not do well.

SPEAKER_05 55:13

So you're saying the only difference between the Do you think I'm trying to what I'm trying to pull out from you, what I'm trying to tease out from you is what you think the difference between because if we agree that Cliff and Stewart are doing it the right way, which I think there is a definitive difference between the way Charlie Kirk did it and the way that Cliff and Stewart do it, and that's that Cliff and Stewart do come at it from less of a combative way and more of a love-first God. A love-first way, which Charlie promoted but didn't always execute well with his actions, I recognize.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

I don't think he'd be dead.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

Now, let me say, let me ask you a question. That's that's profound. Do you think he converted anybody who was radical with the way he did his thing? But Cliff has many, many, many, many, many of times. The difference is you have to because if you are representing God, first it's God first, then country. It's not country, then God.

SPEAKER_05 56:34

Okay, here's the here's the delineation, I think. There's as America, the political spectrum goes up. There's 20% on the far extreme right, there's 20% on the far extreme left, and the 60% in the middle is about where most normal healthy people operate. And you know, it's roughly 30-30 on each side. Um I think it's in that middle left 30 where Charlie was really, really important because he helped take some of that percentage and move it back over towards the conservative side. Instead of moving them even further left into the radical side. Which, if honestly, if we didn't have Charlie, here's where my mind goes. In 2020, I believe the election was largely stolen from Donald Trump. I am a subscriber to that belief with the mail-in voting. You can look at the numbers. Way more votes in 2020 than in any other election before due to COVID, the mail-in voting, all of it. I believe that that election was stolen, and I saw that we saw, I think that we saw the first federal election fraud that resulted in a swing of the election in the wrong way. That we could see. There's evidence that when Al Gore was running about against Bush that some of the that that happened as well. Um but that widely recognized that the public that this happened. If that had gone that way and the Democrats could have seen that they had gotten away with it, um the laws would not have been passed to change mail-in voting, which are currently being um worked over. The they would have had a supermajority in the House, in the Senate, in Congress. I mean, I that could have been the end of America as we know it had it happened again in 2024. Aaron Powell, it would have been the end of America as we know it. Correct. And I think Charlie played an extremely large part if more than any other person in getting Donald Trump elected in 2024 on the average voter. I really, really, truly do believe that. So in that context, I think Charlie Kirk s may have single-handedly saved democracy, and I don't think that's a hyperbolic statement. Now, does that utility is that worth the cost of the college students that were embarrassed?

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Let me put it very frankly. I would I would not take one less Christian over America. Say that a different way.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

If we lose one Christian and save America, it's not worth it. Because God comes first, buddy. Sure, of course. But And one less Christian is not worth it.

SPEAKER_05 59:27

Democracy. Do you think we have more or less Christians as a result of America existing?

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Far more.

unknown 59:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

But that's what we're doing. So the continued existence of America. Which I'm incapable of. Right. God does not care about what you and I think about where we live and what we do.

SPEAKER_05 59:48

Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

Yeah. He cares about how many Christians are there? How many people love and follow me.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

That's it. But if there's m if America's continual existence in its current state is a net benefit. Is results in more Christians converting. I'm then the continued existence of America is important to God.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

No, no, right. But Christians is more important than America. Yeah, I agree. So if we have more Christians and less America, it doesn't matter. Right, but I don't think more America and less Christians.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:22

I don't think that's possible.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

I do because uh look at Europe. Largely not Christian. Yeah, 16% of identify as Christian. Only no, it's 13% or something like that. That's what happens when you have more government, less Christianity. Right. Okay. I think you're arguing against yourself. No, what I'm saying is I think Charlie pushed people away from Christianity that could have been converted.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:50

That's I we're gonna disagree there.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

Now, what's his name?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:54

Uh Cliff and Stewart Connected.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

I believe they are a net benefit to Christianity and America. That's where I defer.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:03

Yeah. And I would I would love for the record, Cliff and Stewart, if you see this. I would love, love, love to have you on the podcast. I would love to talk to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

I disagree that Charlie converted people to Christianity. Totally disagree. Because you cannot because you're not maybe he did a few, but the people that were on the edge, he pushed way further away.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:26

I'd be really interested to get uh not that I'm not interested in your views on this, but I'd be really interested to see um some other people's views as well on some people, you know, that we both respect. Yeah. Um, within the Christian faith on how they view it. Because I think uh we're we would all have differing views on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

But I just I look at it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:50

It's uh it's also it's important to also note the generational difference because he w largely, largely impacted my generation. Right, he did not impact your generation nearly at all. Um I look at it also from a very different perspective.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

An older guy who was that idiot in college. Right. That if he was, if I would have had debate him when I was younger, I would have had a lot of the same views as some of those young people. Sure. And then you're gonna put it on the internet, which I stepped up to the microphone, but I was an idiot, and then 10 years later I'm still scorn. Um you can't put yourself in the head of someone who got embarrassed online that then hates everything Charlie is about. And then there's no way he's going to Christ. That's my point. I'll take one more Christian over all of America.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:50

I think it's impossible to know. I did the people maybe with that one video, maybe he ended that person's hopes of reaching Christ for now. Maybe it things change in the future. Um, but maybe he reached three more people.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

I just don't think you could be on I don't think you could have uh uh magnets, right? The space in the middle will never get filled. And you're never gonna pull with opposite poles. With opposite poles. What you have to do is meet someone on their side and then pull them over. It you can't, you just can't.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:29

Which is something I think that Cliff and Stewart do uniquely well.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

They do extremely well. And I like to think I have the capability to do that. Not that I do it, but when I'm s but I do, when I can.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:43

I think most Christians, if they are a true Christian, should have the capability should to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:49

And they should try. If they meet someone who's a non-Christian, you don't give you wanna debate it on camera. It's like, no, bro, why don't you come over to dinner and let me talk to you and just like let me show you how much God loves me because he gave me this. And like, let let me show you what it what it's like to be loved by God. Yeah. Not well, what do you think about abortion? So it's not a baby, hmm. So what is it? What are we talking about? You you can have that, and this is part of like your generation, too. Is like everything has to be on camera that's a good deed. It's like that's not that Charlie didn't do amazing things. And let me let me say this. I think he probably did amazing things, not telling anybody. There's no telling how many people's houses he paid off, there's no telling how many dinners he bought for people, there's no telling how many college tuitions he paid for people through his companies. There he probably did untold good, right? But if you turn one Christian away, created thousands of jobs through his companies, various, yeah. But if you turn one Christian away, it's not worth it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:57

And you argue with God about that one. It's not a mess.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:01

That's something I think every individual person has to wrestle with, and Charlie himself had to wrestle with was he benefiting more people than he was negatively impacting.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

And I think the answer is in his way, yes. But it's not an either-or. That's what I'm trying to do. Right. It's murkier than that. It's murky, there's a there's a blend that could be there. And I don't like this either-or society. We either you believe this or that's like, well, maybe there's somewhere in between that it was like it was a little bit better. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:35

And he wasn't a hundred percent wrong, but he wasn't this like you won't find more of a raging capitalist than me, but I still believe that you know, socialist police departments are a good idea. Like we pay into that through taxation, and uh, we all net benefit. So it's like I I believe in the police department, the fire department, and the ambulance, but doesn't mean I believe in socialism as a whole. But yeah, but there are elements. Of socialism that we all benefit from.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

And I, you know, being I I don't want to be a judge of I I don't I do not like Charlie Kirk. Just let me say it out loud. Never liked him. I don't like his approach to things. I didn't like his approach to things. Um I think he wouldn't be dead if he approached things differently. I think he just created way too many way too many enemies. And I think it's because he did it online. Too divisive. Well, and because he put it on the internet.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:27

Not because it well, that's not the case because we just agreed about Stuart and Kinette, the Stuart and Cliff. So it's not the internet thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:35

No, it is because the way Charlie did it, it the internet magnified it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:38

But it's the way he did it, it's not the internet.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:40

It's a mix of both.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:43

I think that's an important denotation too, right? Because it like if I put this podcast on the internet, which I will, right? That does it's not me putting stuff on the internet that makes things bad, right? It's not I'm I'm trying to spread a message here, obviously. I have certain beliefs and views that I'm expressing, and it's not me putting on the internet that's bad. It is the way that he went about it that you have the contention with. And I don't I don't ever want to turn people off from using the internet to do something good or positive.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

But there's a lot of people who need to realize that there's more good that can be done without you, you won't do it, you don't have to be seen doing your good deeds. Right. They can be done privately as well. Well, they should be. God said so.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

Uh and that's where, again, it goes back to the gray area because I I will go back to using Cliffin Stewart as an example. They reach way more people putting their stuff on the internet, and they convert way more people to Christianity and get them thinking about it than if they didn't do that. So it's not an always either or. You're right. Um so I think specifically with Charlie, and where I agree with you, is sometimes the method and the execution, when he's sitting there, could have been better in coming at it with more love than being divisive. And I agree with you, if he wasn't so divisive and came at it from a posture of love instead of from a posture of trying to get his point across his point across at all at all costs, he would not be dead. 100%. Because I don't I don't see anybody killing Cliff and Stewart anytime soon. Because nobody hates them as I mean, unless you're demonic and yeah, decidedly anti-Christian.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

Um and I think this is a a larger factor of America, which is like everything has to be bigger and more. Charlie could have just done that. Which isn't always a bad thing, it's not a bad thing, but there's certain things like we we have to, as a society, say, you know, maybe we don't need like everybody debating on college, like maybe it's not a good idea. Like, you know, maybe we don't need to put people's bad days on the internet. There's a reason girls gone wild tapes got thrown out. You know, girls gone wild. Not familiar. It used to be these like tapes of girls flashing people that you could buy off the internet when in in the 90s and 50s. Oh, well, it's a good thing I'm not familiar. And it was all these girls, like say NDAs when they were hammered drunk, and then all of a sudden it's on the internet for their throws. Same with the OnlyFans. It's like maybe we don't need OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

But we definitely don't need OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

But I mean, like Charlie was the only fans of conservatism. I mean, it's like it's conservative porn. It's like, yeah, get up, it's like, oh well, putting someone's bad day online isn't that's not conservatism to me. That's like profiting off someone's ignorance, which I don't believe in doing. Um, you know, it and I don't believe in this, like, let's put everything on the internet. Talking to two people are gonna put this on the internet, but like I don't go around as with anything talking with people and feel the need to pull out a camera and say I'm debating someone. I debated a guy, I debated a lot of people in Europe when I was there. I I didn't record any of it. I just said, hey man, I just want to let you know like I love you. You know, like I do I want to come at this from like a really I love Jesus and like I, you know, I respect your country. I'm in your country, I'm not in my country.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:27

Do you think it's ever right? Or is it just an age thing, right? Because in the stage of life that they're in, they're very I I mean, I'm 21, I'm very hard-headed, and my views and beliefs are still evolving and changing on various topics as I continue to research them and continue to do soul searching there. Um Do you think if Charlie somehow did the same thing, but with your generation at 50 years old, do you think that would have changed your perspective on it?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:58

I think if he'd have made it to 50-year-old, he would apologize for some of the stuff he did when he was younger. The same thing I'm doing. It's saying when I was younger, I was an idiot. But he never got there, so it doesn't matter.

unknown 1:11:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:10

And do you think that the way that you talk about Charlie is myself that way too, by the way. Right. But do you think the way that you talk about Charlie and people hear this, they're going to find that hypocritical in the way that you are speaking about him? I don't care. Should Charlie have cared?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

I never I never I'm not harming anybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:34

I'm speaking on facts that have already ha on actions of people that have already happened. I'm not creating new actions with my comments.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:44

The the thing that I'm trying to get at here is like probably won't. But like it's possible that Mikey McCoy, um, Charlie's chief of staff, who seems like a great guy, Erica Kirk, you know, the other people close to Charlie at Turning Point, if they heard this and they heard you speaking about him that way. Do you think that the way that you speak about Charlie is the same message that he that you would that you were trying to give to him that like maybe we should all come at things with more of a point of love and say things softer so that we can meet with one another at the end of that point? Is that what you're saying? Well, I'm trying I'm mostly trying to challenge you. Because you s you said when we opened this, you said it very abrasively that you don't like Charlie Kirk. I don't. And you think that he was in that negative. Right. That okay, and that's fair. You're allowed to have that belief. But do you think that people that are hearing this conversation and did like Charlie Kirk, that maybe you're turning them off to your beliefs because of how abrasive you come across?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:48

No, because I bring I bring receipts. I don't come at it for this isn't my opinion, this is a religious belief. And if you're a Christian, you there's a very clear book that you're gonna be able to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:59

Okay, but I'm I'm a Christian and I largely disagree with you on the the I mean some of your points.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:06

Right. But I come from it from a factual standpoint of like God, what did Jesus do?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:13

And don't you think Charlie had the same conviction that you do?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:16

He maybe in his beliefs, but I don't believe in his actions. Right. But when I was that age, do you see what I'm saying, though? That like my belief, not my actions.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:27

There's a perspective here that says that each of us are guilty of coming at things the way that Charlie did, and not with love. And that we can all do a much better job of doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:43

Of course. But putting it on the internet is where the fat is where I the is where I drew the line for me, morally. Right? It's not that I don't make those mistakes, it's not that all of us don't make those mistakes. The difference is I don't want to profit off of it. Oh if if you if you like the same way you and I are having a conversation right here, right? And let's say I got a point over on you or something like that, or like uh whatever, doesn't matter. Uh it's not that I'm gonna like clip that and put it out there and say, look, I was right, and and try to because I I would care about you. Right. I'd be like, I don't want to shine that light upon you because it's not important.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:31

But I'm saying I'm saying there's validity in your point. Um and I just I think the broader point is that we should even though I but we have a personal relationship, yeah, right, but as Christians, we're called to care about all people exactly the same way. Yes. Um and so speaking more life into people, um I guess I my point is I just I feel like there's there's a w you came across very abrasively talking about Charlie, and I agree with some of your points and disagree with you on others, but I think the important thing to note is that like even if you disagree with the way Charlie did things, you do still care about him as a person, the people that were around him as a person. I care about his kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:22

I don't care about him, I don't care about his wife, I don't care about his organization, I care none. Because it's it's not within my peripheral. I can't care about it. I have a job to do and I have a family to take care of. Wasting my time thinking about another dead man is like it's the stupidest thing I could think of. There's someone who died five seconds ago from a gunshot to the head. Do you care about him? I mean, I'm not aware of it. Who cares? We need to quit this fascination with these people who are not within our lives when your fucking mother can't make it to the front door and you haven't been there in months. Give me a break. You care about Charlie Kirk? Do you? Not you, right? Right. No, you don't know. No, you don't. Shut up. Go take care of your cousin who's got a drug issue. Fucking worrying about Charlie Kirk. And Erica Kirk. Shut the fuck up. That's what I got to say about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:19

I don't give a shit. People need to take care of their own lives. That's what I like. That's it bothers me so much when someone's like, Charlie, shut up. Go take care of your family first. Like, don't don't sit here and mourn the dead when you got the living here that you're not taking care of. Like, the and this is what I'm a conservative. Like, okay, fat ass. Go lose some weight before you come talk to me about like your conservative values. Like, this is like the stuff that bothers me. It's like the people that have an external location. Yeah, do I care about Charlie? Fuck no, I don't. Because I've got two young kids that I gotta take care of. Do I care about Erica Kirk? No, I just know facts and I know people. Sure. Which is I know what to look for when I see deception. Because I've been around a long time. And I've been around hundreds of thousands of people, and I've seen it tens of thousands of times. She is deceptive. Yes, I he there were yes, he was insecure for a long time. He got famous, he turned his insecurity into knowledge, and that knowledge into a weapon. I know that personality type, and it bothers me because I know what it does to people that are not secure. And he preyed upon insecure people because he was insecure. That's why I think of him the way I think of him. I didn't mean I didn't really want to go down that road, but I can see through that person. And I don't like that person because he didn't do it from the God point of view. He did it from the deep down in him, he was insecure. That's the reason he chose the wife he did. That's the reason he chose media. People do things for a reason, it's not spontaneous. Me being able to see the reason he did it is the reason I have my opinion. It's not that I see what he did and I'm befuddled by why someone would do that. I know the reason that he did it. Sure. It bothers me if in if someone else can't see that and they see just this like martyrdom, it's like and then they buy into this political belief. It's like, bro, you you've missed the whole point of this like walk on earth.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

And our whole celebrity fascination. Like, I got Twitter a month ago, two months ago to keep up with stock market. Fun ride, huh? Oh my god. This this like the the fascination with people like celebrities and shit like that, and like this idol worship of these figures, this is the reason America will end up like Europe. It's because we have these problems, like we don't take care of our own stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:12

We're we've turned into everybody's fascinated with Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey getting married.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:16

Yes, and we've commoditized our attention to the point where like you and I went from the stock market to Charlie Kirk and we spent 30 months because like we're fascinated. And I don't like being on the hook with being fascinated with like someone with someone who doesn't even matter in my life. And he mattered in a lot of people's lives. I understand that, but I mean, I just think like clean your side of the street before you go worry about else someone else's house, and like none of us listening to this probably, or you and I really have time to even think about that. It's fun to talk about, but I get kind of riled up about it because it it really, when I get down to the root of it, it bothers me that I'm even thinking about like somebody, another man when like another man just got shot in the head in part of the world, and God doesn't view anybody any different than him, so it's like we're in this, we're just caught up in this like fascination with celebrities and the and and the media and stuff like that. And I I I don't like it. I wish people would just go have kids and like have normal lives and raise children. That's what real conservatism is. It has nothing to do with it, it's not this fascination with well, who got shot and what's the next political movement and what's going on with this. It's like none of that matters. It maybe matters if you have extra time because you've built your life to the point where you can you can you know your wife is happy with you, so you can you don't have to spend as much time curating your your marriage, your kids are well behaved, so you don't have to spend as much time with them curating your kids' behavior. Yeah, like if you got all that set up, which good luck, then you can start worrying about some other people. But until then, you like only man, not to go up on too much of a tangent that, but it really uh you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, I got you.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:11

Uh let's let's move on. Yeah. I think you were talking to me the other day, and I think you have a really interesting and unique perspective on this war that we're in. Yeah. Or as you would call it, not war. Yeah. Um so tell me, tell me what you think is happening between Iran, the United States, and the state of Israel.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:33

Okay, so I think we are in a large 3D puzzle match. Like Donald Trump is looking at a puzzle, and he's got some really super smart people around him. And what they're doing is playing 3D chess with or putting a puzzle together, however you want to put it together. So people are uh this is another thing, is like everybody's obsessed with Israel, and it's like Israel's not running things. Um, Dan Balzerian's got this like weird fascination with Israel. Israel ain't running things. Nobody tells Donald Trump what to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:09

I think the the part that confuses people is that to our knowledge, there's nothing that benefits with people say follow the money during any conflict or any deal of any sort. And if you follow the money here, it all goes back to one place. And it seems to me, and it seems to a lot of people, that the people that most benefit from this conflict are the Israeli government. They don't benefit at all. They benefit the most through national security and through I mean, one of their and through conquest, frankly, one of the um demands that was made of Donald Trump when he accepted $300 million from Miriam Adelson, as we discussed earlier, was that the annexation of the West Bank would happen and that the United States would stand by as Israel took over parts of Palestine. Do you have proof of that? There, I mean, the it's hearsay. Like there's do we have proof of anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:10

Right, but that's my point.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:12

There's multiple people in that meeting that all said the same thing that that was the case.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:16

Let's look at the pieces where they fall. So not what we think of the pieces, okay? Venezuela, we captured the president. They were supplying Russia with oil via their shadow fleet, okay? We shot down a lot, we captured most of the shadow fleet, we blamed it on drug runner, so we didn't, we gave Russia an out. That way it didn't like look like we were attacking Russia. Iran was supplying supplies China with most of their oil. I think it's like 25 to or like 40% of their oil, right? If we give that a Google. Yes, go ahead and support it. Uh, and then China, right now, we are in a trade war, still quiet trade war with China. Well, what does China need to run all their factories and run their economy? Oil. They're uh they import 100% of their energy, their fossil fuel energy. Okay, so now we cut that off. So we just cut off the pipeline of fuel for Russia and China. We're using Iran as a proxy to fight those two wars. What was the percentage? 13%. 13% China it. What?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

Of oil, of China's oil comes from Iran.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:31

Comes from Iran, but not the straight of horn moves. I missed I misspoke. Yeah, yeah. No, I think I think it's more than that.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:38

But let's check the straight and four moves as well, which I I would assume would be a similar number.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:45

Um I think the puzzle pieces are as follows. I don't think Israel is in control of the United States. What was the number?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:56

It's still coming up here. 13%? 13% from uh Okay, so 13% come from Iran, but roughly half come from the Strait of Hormuz to China. Okay, so half of all of China's oil imports come through the Strait of Hormos. I was close. Which is to your point.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:13

Right. So we shut off China's economy.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:17

Well, the with was that do you think that was a counter effect? That was I think that was probably a side effect. Um because if you think about it, right, the originally the Iranian regime blockaded the Strait of Hormouth to try and hamper the world oil. But they were still letting through ships to China and their allies, right? What the United States did was counter-blockade so that they said, you know, it if it's gonna be blocked, it's gonna be blocked, and like you're not getting any either. Um which shut down Chinese oil. But as the problem with that is as soon as that blockade is released, that tap turns back on to China. Right. Right? So then hear me out, that this this valve where you know we're hurting China, this only lasts as long as the war lasts, right? This as long as there's conflict and the United States is in conflict, then that's as long as China gets hurt and hurt in this one area. As far as you and I know. Point being like that's a very temporary thing. That's not that can't be like the whole picture.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:22

But it's a show of power. It's showing them that we can turn off the tap at any time. It again, this is three to just that you always have to give your enemy an out. Which means if you attack save pride, right. So your enemy can save pride, right? And you're more likely to have a lot of people. So we can say we're fighting a war with Iran, that's the reason we had to do this. Wink wink. But we can go back to war with Iran anytime. And what does that say to Xi Jinping? So why do you think the war has been? We can't invite we can't invade Taiwan. We all have we'll our our oil get shut off. We'll just go, but they'll just go back and block the Strait of Horn Moose again. We invaded Iran because they're an asshole. And we needed a proxy. We needed a proxy war. And they're just assholes. And the we just wanted to get rid of them shouting deaf to America. And they they've done a lot of bad things in the past. And Trump said, Alright, assholes, well, I'm gonna turn you into a bigger problem. And that's what he did. And then he shut off a lot of the oil and the oil refineries, aluminum, and uh rare uh a lot of materials that go to China to build like solar panels and stuff like that. Also, what's he trying to do? Convince factories to move from China back to the United States. So if you shut off a lot of raw materials that go through straight to the hormous that go to China to build the raw, it's more impactful for them to use the problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:46

Here's the problem, right? In the same way that you have to give your enemies an out so that they can maintain their nationalism and not lose pride. In the same way, the United States has to have an objective where they say we. We went in, we got what we needed, and we got out. What is that objective now? Nuclear weapons. It's already been done.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:09

What else is there?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:10

No, we destroyed it, but now we're taking the nuclear material. Material. That's our out. Nuclear weapons. So you think so you had nothing to do with nuclear weapons.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:19

Your assessment is that once we sign a peace deal with Iran and they allow us to go in and extract the nuclear material, that then the war will end. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:30

And it had nothing to do with it. It's that these are all bargaining chips with two other countries that we're at quiet wars with. Avoiding bigger wars. That's what I think is happening. And that's how I think we're avoiding China invading Iran uh Taiwan. And that's how I think we're slowing the war efforts of Russia.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:52

So why do you think Iran, with virtually nothing to lose at this point, hasn't made a greater offensive strike?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:59

Because they're part of the game too. They made something out of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:03

Do they know they're part of the game? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:05

Oh, yeah. These aren't dumb people. Now, they're they're not American smart, but they're very, very intellectual people. And yeah, they know the game. They don't they knew the leadership was gonna get wiped out. Uh everybody knows the game. These like big political leaders, man, they're not like you and I. Like they know what's up, they know what's gonna happen. People got a heads up. The Shah of Iran, uh the uh the Ayatollah, I'm sorry, would wasn't even in a bunker. And he was with his whole family. They knew what was gonna happen. And he knew, and he knew what was gonna happen. So all these uh everybody's in on it except us. That's my point. Is everybody knows what the game plan is except us, and uh And by us you mean the American people. Yeah, but I don't think we need to know.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:58

Receiving news from media.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:59

Yeah, which we I don't think we need to know.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:01

Well the problem is that the American people vote, right? And that we as whether you believe this or not is a different conversation. But allegedly we control the direction of the country moving forward. And so if you don't keep the American people informed, right, then we don't maintain power, right? That's like uh J.D. Vance would similarly be incentivized to tell the American people what's actually going on because right now they think they're incompetent. And J.D. Vance isn't gonna get re-elected if he's considered to be incompetent.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:34

I believe they threaded the needle on this one, which is the brilliant part. Nobody everybody knows that something's going on, but nobody knows what it is. They don't they but nobody everybody knows they couldn't tell us.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:46

I don't think that's the truth. I think the prevailing opinion is that this is sheer incompetence, that Donald Trump went into the Middle East, started another forever war over his ego, and has now got himself in the definition of a quagmire that has no end in sight. The Iranian regime will not negotiate in good faith. Every single time there's a peace deal on the table, which there has been tens of times now, that they go back on it and they strike us, and we have to go back and strike them, and then there's that peace deal is thrown out and we have to renegotiate a new one. So it's like I the the actions would suggest that Donald Trump and the administration is in over their head on this.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:30

I don't think so. I think that if it you can't tell the general public until it's over. Because you can't give the enemy your game plan. I mean, you just can't. You can't, you it's impossible to do. So I don't think that in the end it's gonna matter because it's not that detrimental to the primary. It may be the primaries, but the midterms are gonna be catastrophic. They calculate this stuff to the end. I mean, if you don't think there's rooms full of people calculating this, uh I don't think you under I don't think you estimate that how much money people have and how much money they drained into this stuff. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:10

They've already figured it out way before us. I think the other part that people are concerned about is going back to the Israel thing. We just had obviously Donald Trump took massive amounts of money from APAC um from Miriam Adelson, who's the main spokesperson for APAC. We also just saw um in these midterm elections people like Robert uh Thomas Massey get thrown out of office via APAC. Voted out. Right. But do you know how much money was spent on doesn't matter, he's voted out. Okay. There was massive, massive, massive amounts. I think somewhere in the neighborhood of like 15 million in ad spend from APAC, 30 million total in counter running counter ads against Thomas Massey. So there was a coordinated propaganda campaign to get uh Ed Gallerine, I think is his name, former Marine, who was endorsed by Donald Trump, um get him in office instead of Thomas Massey. So you can't negate the fact that like propaganda is real and that you can fully influence uh an election, as we've seen, through spending. You can buy candidates into office 100%. So I I think it's pretty hard to argue against the fact that they bought Thomas Massey out of office, that APEC did. And that's just one example um of somebody that spoke out against Israel, that spoke out against Donald Trump and suffered the immediate consequences because of it. Because Thomas Massey's main offense was speaking about the Epstein files, which uh you I don't maybe that goes back to your argument that they can't tell us, but guess what? I mean, that's but who says that has anything to do with Israel? Because the prevailing theory is that it's a theory. But uh theory and what everyone believes to be true is almost just as important as what is actually true. Right. And if the prevailing theory was that Jeffrey Epstein was Mossad, or at least had Mossad connections, which I have seen some evidence to suggest that that may be the case. And Thomas Massey is peddling these theories and also speaking in anti-Israel, saying we need to separate ourselves from Israel and seemingly putting America first, and then you have a foreign body step in and interfere in one of our elections and essentially buy out a congressman. That's a fucking problem. It is a problem. I agree with you, and I think we need to fix that. And so we have so uh the issue is is we see that situation, and we see a president who is taking money from these same people and then seemingly doing their bidding, and it looks really, really awful and suspicious.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:02

I would say give it time. I think uh it's easy to draw conclusions without facts, and it's not our fault that we don't have the facts. So that's why we're drawing conclusions. But uh, you know, that doesn't mean it's true. It just means we don't have all the information to and but that's the problem. It's not what's happening is the fact that we don't have the information.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:23

I would have to believe that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance are not sitting in the Oval Office being completely virtuous and being like, we can't tell the American people we're just gonna take the massive hit publicly. Donald Trump is just swallowing his ego. Like, I I don't believe that's happening either. Just as much as you don't think that Israel is controlling Donald Trump because of his ego, I don't think that he's biting his tongue and controlling his ego just so that, you know, in some virtuous attempt to protect the American people, I don't think that's the case either. So, like, there's somewhere in the middle that like there's damning evidence suggesting that Israel has a very real and very significant influence into our elections and into the decision making of our leaders that we vote, we vote in. And you can't ignore that, and you have to contrast that with is Donald Trump viable?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:19

And I'm What I guess my m what effects have we seen in America of that happening, other than culturally?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:27

I mean, these sorts of things, as you said, take time, right? So it's it's not necessarily the immediate ram ramifications of like is at the end of the day, is Thomas Massey not being in Congress going to burn the United States down? No, of course not. But if we know if we begin to allow foreign bodies to interfere in our elections, which has been going on forever. Right. But for the large part, here's here's the difference. For the large part, we've all agreed that that's not okay. Right? When Russia and China interfere in our elections via bots and things like that, there's DOJ investigations into it to try and stop them, right? And people are prosecuted that help pedal these different methods, right? When Israel does it, if you speak out against it, you're thrown out of office and you're ostracized. Again, propaganda campaigns are real and you can essentially buy an election with enough money.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:28

Um Yes, but I I would not discount the fact that maybe Thomas Massey wasn't as popular as you thought he was in his state. And that maybe you got propaganda into thinking that everybody loved him.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:44

He's not the only example, though, is my point. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Right. We saw MTG leave office because she couldn't support these things. We saw Joe Kent leave office because he couldn't support these things. We've seen Elon Musk get thrown out because he was feuding with President Trump. Like as it to me, and I'm not saying those are all connected to the Elon Musk thing is connected to Israel, but we s Marjorie Taylor Greene of Joe Kent explicitly said that's why they did it. And they've been in those rooms. They've been seeing the actual effects of those. So we can't say that, like, oh, they're not informed. They're like the most informed. Joe Kent was the counterterrorism director. Like that, yeah. He's like, it's his job to know what's going on in the Middle East. So, I mean, when you see somebody like that say that they can't support a war and that it's being run by Israel and that something has changed with Donald Trump since his election, I can't discount what Joe Kent says. He's in those rooms.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:44

And maybe it has, but we don't know why that is. That's my point, is like we assume that all things have to have a reason that we can understand. It's like, no, uh, just like it's because it's like having children, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:01

No, but that's of that's not even of moderate of importance, that's of large importance that other countries can't interfere.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:08

We hired him to run the country not to answer every becking call that we answer, ask of him. You can't expect a leader to to every time you have a question about something they're doing, to to get on the TV and answer it. Doesn't work like that. Doesn't work like that in a business, doesn't work like that when you're a parent, doesn't work like that when you're a husband or a wife. Sure. Sometimes it's like, how about you just be quiet and let me do my job? And that's what he's doing. Sorry if I spit. But like it's uh, I just don't believe that he owes us an explanation for everything. I don't believe that I believe that we voted for him to do a job. I'm just gonna let him do his job. If it affects me in a negative way in my community, and so far, everything he's been doing's been great. I've seen America lift up, not down. So I see the effects of it, and I see the long-term effects that are gonna happen, and I'm happy with it. Now, do we have inflation right now because of rising oil prices? And but yes, but our wages also going up. There's kind of stagnant not at the same rate, even remotely. Jobs are going down, not wages. The amount of jobs are going down because we overhired, we have too many degrees out in the world, we have too many college graduates. Yeah, yeah. We got we got not enough laborers, we've got an imbalance of the point is though that the salaries are not keeping up with costs. Right, but that the the the president can only affect that to a certain degree.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:41

It's really up to the we do attribute too much power to the president with that. So on a national level, he did and again, we just nominated a new Fed chair. Like, let's see what he does. Yeah, yeah. He's been in there for two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:55

So yeah, and I'm just you know, and I think we've gotten you can't you and you also can't discount what the left is doing to counteract him that making his job harder.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:07

Right, it's not like he has like a free check to do whatever he wants, like he also has to fight an opposing force.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:14

Right. So I I'm just I'm very hesitant to be like, I think I know about what's going on, and that but I do see the puzzle pieces with the war that make more sense to me than Israel controlling it. Because what is Israel getting out of it?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:31

Other than Netanyahu, who has a terrible approval rating, national security, millions of dollars from the United States.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:39

Yeah, but they don't need the money. They don't need they already have national security, they have the iron dome. They they're they're not a war does not benefit them. Especially if they're part of NATO where they can't experience the government.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:50

It does benefit them in that Iran is one of their greatest threats. But always has been and always will be. That's as was yeah, but it's not that's not. Like that it's an obvious benefit.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:07

Israel could have done that themselves.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:09

They have just, I mean, what I guess is not to the scale that the United States could have with their backing.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:14

It just makes more sense to me that we're using Israel and Israel is not using us. Because we benefit more than Israel does. Because Israel doesn't need the trade like we do. If we control those supply routes by proxy war, then it makes more sense that we're cutting off to the two real enemies we have right now, which are China and Russia. Which we're saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:39

So when so when JD Vance goes on the diary of a CEO podcast and tells us that Israel is the little brother here, we're supposed to take that at face value.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:49

Yeah. Yeah. And you say, okay. You know more than I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:57

I mean, you're s you you're you're there.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:59

Okay. Uh I mean That's I mean, that's a fair point. They are in the rooms. Like they I I get it's hard when they Trump is constantly coming out with a peace deal every other day, and all of them fall through. It's like at certain point, it's the boy that cried wolf. It's the they're losing credibility rapidly with the American people.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:24

Like a psychopath from the Middle East? No, just the Middle East in general, man. They they they're not they're they can you do better? Can you do better? Can you do better? Is that your best price? Is it can you do better? Is that your best price? It's like, I get it. I've done business with people in the middle, like from the Middle East. Like their their style of negotiating is not like America's. And we have to remember that the enemy gets a vote on what timeline things are done. And if their timeline is different than ours, then we may have to wait.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:54

I mean, the problem is we instigated it. So, like, no, we didn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:58

They did. That that's what that's we don't just go bomb people. They were read into situations that were happening, right? Sure. And I do believe that uh Iran had something to do with one of the assassination attempts. Or that was propaganda in Butler. I don't know which one. But I believe some one of them had something to do with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:22

I mean, there's questions that went unanswered in Butler as well. Why would Donald Trump shut down the investigation into his own assassination?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:29

Uh, because he found out something that he was going to take care of. AKA Iran. You know, it's like everything it nothing doesn't make sense. It's just we don't have the information.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:43

Nothing makes sense, and that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:46

It makes sense to the people who are involved, just not you and I.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:49

Well, the fact that nothing makes sense to us makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:52

Yes. And I don't think it should make sense to us. I don't think we need to be read in on that sort of stuff. No more than he needs to be read in what's going on with me and my wife. It's like you have I hired you to do that job. You go do that job. And like this whole Israel thing is, you know, nobody liked the Jews growing up. The people like this, this is the new thing. Like, people have always made fun of the Jews. Like, we made fun of them because nobody liked them. And nobody liked them because frankly, they walked around and looked weird, you know, and the jokes kind of trickled out through society. They had, you know, there weren't as many Jews in America when I was growing up. That, you know, you had the Orthodox Jews who look like monks, that you know, that long haired hats, bad toupees, sure, you know, and wore big hats. It was just the they look like Amish weirdos that they weren't Amish, right? So there was just jokes about them. The Jews kind of do it to themselves, I guess is what I'm saying. Nobody actually hates them. Nobody actually hates Jews, yeah. Uh, because nobody really knows a Jew unless you live in a big city. The rest of the country, there are no Jews. Yep. There's no Jews in Ohio, there's no Jews in South Carolina except in Charleston. There's a few. I bet you there's less than 3,000 Jews in South Carolina. Less than 3,000 out of 6.5 million. Yeah. So, like, where like we don't have this thing about Jews that like we understand their culture either, and you know, so I don't know, this fear of the unknown, I think, is what people have. Like, dude, the Jews. It's like, you mean that five foot four guy over there with a gigantic nose is controlling the present? Get the fuck out of here. Like, it's just stupid. The dude's been an accountant 30 years of his life, and he's like, and I meant like all Jews aren't rich either.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:54

Yeah. Like well, there's certain stereotypes that we attribute to make sense of the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:59

Yeah, the the Asians in America do better than the Jews in America. Nobody's walking around like, oh, the ninja kings, they're throwing Chinese stars at our president. You know what I mean? It's just like these super stupid stitions about an ethnic group that like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_05 1:47:20

Well. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting to see. There's a they did they in a lot of ways they do it to themselves because they don't they don't counteract the conspiracy theories either, right? Like they don't do anything to dispel the rumors. You know, that if there was I would like to think that if somebody was like, oh, Xi Jinping has a you know, samurai sword up to Donald Trump's neck, he would come out and be like, I'm Chinese, not Japanese. Like, you know what I mean? Like that. Exactly. Like it's what I'm saying. They do it to themselves. Like, I wish that somebody would in the same way that I wish the president would just be like Obviously, there's a fucking reason. I can't tell you. Right? Like, just say the quiet part out loud, and then we'll all shut up and we'll just take you at face value. But that's my frustration. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:13

I don't think it's ever gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. You're just you're just gonna get to 35 years old and you're gonna have three kids and be like, uh, I I got I gotta be able to do that. I got too much to worry about, and I'm not uh you do you're doing a thing, right? Yeah, you bombed the guy with the thing on his head, and like he's from that part of the sand, right? Yeah, yeah, not over here, just you did it over there. Okay, we're we're good. Yeah. Oh, because of nuclear weapons. Uh, okay. Okay. You got the guy from the the forest down there on the big thing on the south end of under Mexico uh because they were running too much cocaine and fentanyl, right? Oh, fentanyl. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, sure, okay. Okay, that was the really reason. Yeah, because of fentanyl. Yeah, okay. Or does they have the largest oil reserves in the world and they were filling Russian shadow tanks that were pumping oil to the war effort in Ukraine that we've been trying to stop. Maybe that's just the case. But you gotta tell the moms in suburbia, Simpsonville, South Carolina, that's about fentanyl, because their you know, 13-year-old nephew that, you know, their parents let snort coke in the garage because they lived in a nice community and thought they wanted to be progressive parents, died, overdosed and died, and they're like, he stopped the fentanyl. It's like, yeah, okay. Or just don't let your, you know, don't let your nephew do coke. Uh that's what that's the game we all play. Like, is like we all live in this fast track world of causation, and the government knows how to tap into our mental psyche and tap our causation to allow them to get away with stuff. If you really want to stop that, just like as I said, go help your aunt carry the groceries in. Yeah. You know, like that's do the little things. Yeah, as a as a buddy of mine said, he's like, clean your first, clean, clean your side of the street, and like all it all the whole world is fixed. Like it fixes the whole world. But we don't do that. You know, we want to pay attention to, you know, uh whatever his name is, Kanye. Like, is his new girlfriend nude or not nude? You know, is does Millie Bobby Brown, is she naked or is she not naked? She's gonna have an OnlyFans or not an OnlyFans? Critize us! You know? Like I who the fuck are we doing? Like, I don't know. I can't open the fucking internet without like titties and you know, like the like videos of people's heads getting chopped off. And is it real or is it AI or you know? Uh it's so distracting. When but then you go get in the woods. Yeah. Ultimately. You just bury like get the shit away from your brain and get outside. Yeah. Get off your phone, go meet a Jew. Go meet a Jew. Go to the Jewish show. Go meet a ninja. Go meet a Jew. In every center, the Jewish people pull together money for the youth, and there's usually a Jew center for kids. Most people don't know that. Um, and uh, it's like a Jesuit center, whatever it's called. I used to go to dinners there with a friend of mine in Charleston. She was Jewish, and she invited me. Nicest people on the planet. And they were just like normal people that were Jewish. And that's how I learned about Jewish people is like they're not like definitely not controlling the rest of the world. They barely got their shit together. Yeah. You know, much less how many Jews are on earth? 15,000? Who knows? No, 15 million?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:56

Yeah, it was not 15,000. A lot more than that.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:58

Yeah, they don't even have an army. 15 million people is a lot of people. 15? Million? Yeah, it's like 15 million people, ain't it? How many Jews are on earth? No idea. Look at it right now. That's not worth a Google. Yeah, it is. You don't want to get on a list. Oh my god. I think it's like 13 million.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:16

Let's see. How many Jews are on Earth? Who does it say? Using our not AI sponsor, Grok.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:35

16 and a half million.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:36

Yeah, that was close. Yeah. During War War II, I think our military was like 8 million in America. So it's like half the Jewish population. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:46

There's not the size of Israel is the size of New Jersey. And they're like all there.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:50

Yeah. And that's there's not there's not enough Jews to control the world. This is not enough. It's like quit saying Dan Bolgerian just needs to shut the fuck up and go away. Dan Bongino? No, Dan Bolgerian. Oh, Bolzerian. I was like, I like Dan Bon Geno. No, Dan, I mean, I like Dan Bon Gino, but like Dan Bolgerian just needs to go away. Like, he he needs to, he's running for, I think, uh, House seat or Congress or Senate seat. Okay. And he just needs to go away. He's spreading this like Jewish nonsense, which he may be like, there's slivers of truth at everything. But it's like, bro, you spent your whole life teaching men to not get married and bang women and be a heathen. Like, we don't need any more of you on earth. Oh, you've reformed yourself. Okay, well, great. Congratulations. Go somewhere else now. See you at the polls. Yeah. I mean, if you want to do something, take all your money and go do some good in the world. Um, with like child sex trafficking, which you've helped promote all of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:56

Tim Tebow. Killing it.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:58

Yeah. Um, because you promoted basically girls getting into sex really early so they could go bang a rich dude. Yep. So you did all go do something neutral with your go counteract that before you come and try to save us from the Jews. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:14

You ready to wrap this one up?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:15

Yeah, let's wrap this one up. We've been going a while. Appreciate you, Dylan.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:18

Yeah. All right. Bye, guys.